I've heard soooo many differing interpretations of this...and Im talking just within the SDA community!
I've heard the 144000 is made up of just ordinary Christians.
Apparently... we ALL belong to one of the 12 tribes....but due to the course of time and the gaps in history...we dont even know which one!
But supposedly on the last day...all this will be revealed and the select number will be identified and ushered into heaven first... sumthn like that
anybody ever heard that??
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Re:144,000
Date: 7/19/2005 8:57am
By: LawyersNeedLuv2
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Never heard that b4....
The JW's belive that the 144,000 will be selected to go to heaven for 1000 years....
The rest of us will remain here to renew and replenish the earth.
After the 1000 years they will all return to earth as the New Jeruslaem descends from heaven. God's kingdom will then be here on earth....
Something to that effect....
I dont really know what the official SDA doctrine is on that...
anyone? anyone? Bueller?
- Jess
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Re:144,000
Date: 8/8/2005 7:09pm
By: craigmax
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I've heard soooo many differing interpretations of this...and Im talking just within the SDA
community!
I've heard the 144000 is made up of just ordinary Christians.
Apparently... we ALL belong to one of the 12 tribes....but due to the course of time and the gaps in
history...we dont even know which one!
The only place I've heard that is from Sheperds Rod folks that used to be my friends...
The Daniel and the Revelation books I read a while back had the official doctrine on this.
I gotta go dig up those...unless Uncle Frank gets to it first. **************************
-= Craig the Mighty =-
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Well, I read the article of Dough Bachelor, it’s nice and very informative. The paper goes beyond what we see and read. It’s indeed an amazing fact to note his number analysis… Now it is clearer to me what 144000 means…
But I don’t know if I’m going to believe him considering his statements :
“Though it may not be critical to one’s salvation to understand all the specific details of this prophetic subject, the study of God’s Word is always accompanied with great blessings. I should add that when we study these themes, we venture onto holy ground. Though I share this topic with great confidence, I also realize and respect that others may have a different understanding.”
There are still other interpretations to this issue. Do we (SDA) have a common interpretation of this issue?
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Re:144,000
Date: 10/25/2005 12:32pm
By: Julia
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Why does Doug Batchelor's acknowledgement of the possibility of other interpretations make you so uncomfortable? There are lots of topics in the Bible that are very complex and that no one really knows how to interpret, so we just do our best based on the research and scholarship currently available. I think it’s a very honest thing to do to say that there may be other valid interpretations rather than claim that my interpretation is the only correct one. And to me, being open to the possibility of other valid interpretations actually takes nothing away from the credibility of a given account. In fact, I would be a lot more skeptical if someone said “this is how I understand it and this is the only right way to interpret this issue”.
And what is an “SDA common (or official) interpretation” of any issue? It’s just a result of a study by several scholars. Well, another group of no less knowledgeable and spiritual scholars might come up with a different one. I am not trying to argue against the church doctrines and established understanding of various issues – I am just saying that there are plenty of complex issues that no one can be sure about and there is absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging the fact that we don’t know everything for sure and as understanding increases we may come up with new and better interpretations.
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Re:144,000
Date: 10/26/2005 7:55am
By: pearlydeniega
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ah yes, the 144000, one of my favorite subjects. it's quite clear that this group is a certain number of people as John wrote that he saw the number of them and then speaks of another group after them, the great multitude. Ellen White had a vision of them but doesn't speak much of them. One thing though, is that we need to pray to be one of them or one with them.
As for the Shepherds Rod, this is the only group that actually makes sense of what the 144000 is to do in the future. As for Doug Batchelor, he makes such a vague presentation of them that they end up being no specific persons, they are just everybody with each of the personalities of the 12 tribes.
The 144000 will do the loud cry during the mark of the beast, not from heaven as the JW teaches, but here on earth while the world is enforcing Sunday, the 144000 will be working for God's kingdom to bring that great multitude from all nations. After those that choose to be saved by accepting Jesus Christ and keeping the law that the 144000 promote or accept the false sabbath that the government will enforce and receive the mark of the beast, then go through the plagues.
Getting back to the 144000, this company will have the power that the early Christians had and greater, Jesus said that they would do greater works and so will the 144000. This group isn't the only ones saved from the SDA church though, there will be those that are gentiles that have become Adventists as well that will receive the truth that God has revealed through the last prophet to the church.
That brings me to the interpretations that so many have of the truth, all these scholars can do all they want to try to interpret the Word, but God reveales His secrets unto His servants the prophets, He wants us to hear them, not come up with our own understanding.
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Re:144,000
Date: 10/28/2005 12:07am
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Why does Doug Batchelor's acknowledgement of the possibility of other interpretations make you so uncomfortable?
I said, “But I don’t know if I’m going to believe him” because as what you said
that no one really knows how to interpret, so we just do our best based on the research and scholarship currently available… another group of no less knowledgeable and spiritual scholars might come up with a different one…
I don’t know if I’m going to believe his interpretation since there are still “another group of no less knowledgeable and spiritual scholars might come up with a different one”. Definitely I don’t want to be one-sided person. I acknowledge his interpretation but it does not mean I’m going to believe it and hold it as “true” since there are still possible valid interpretation as you said.
And what is an “SDA common (or official) interpretation” of any issue? It’s just a result of a study by several scholars
I believe that SDA has common (or official) interpretation as a church of some Biblical issue. Like the 28 fundamental beliefs—Perhaps, it’s just a result of a study by several scholars but as part of the church we accept that as our common interpretations of the Biblical issues concerned. I think our church will be in chaos if we don’t have a common interpretation as to salvation or other important issues as to salvation.
I am just saying that there are plenty of complex issues that no one can be sure about and there is absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging the fact that we don’t know everything for sure and as understanding increases we may come up with new and better interpretations.
I agree with that. But I believe that SDA common interpretation of various biblical issue exist contrary to what you say that… “And what is an “SDA common (or official) interpretation” of any issue? It’s just a result of a study by several scholars”
Anyway I don’t have anything against Doug. He’s a good servant of God. And I love the way he preaches. Honestly, I recommend his books and papers for others to read. He indeed presents an “amazing fact”.
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Re:144,000
Date: 11/6/2005 11:41pm
By: LeftCoastFrank
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I have a (Bible) textual outline that helps to understand the 144,000. It is easy to understand, but it is too long to post here. (a full page)
If anyone is interested in getting a copy, send me a note at
LeftCoastFrank@sdazone.com
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Re:144,000
Date: 5/7/2010 4:42am
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I am thinking at the end of time there maybe only 144000 true christians left. Im finding everyone has so many differant ideas. I allways say if the bible dont say it be carefull what you read its so easy to get led astray.
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