First of all, Jesus said "Sabbath is for man, not man for the Sabbath" and the more rules and obligations we impose on the Sabbath, the less it if for man and the more it is "man for the Sabbath". I think no one has the right to impose rules on how to observe the Sabbath except the One who made it. and it is true that the more rules and obligations WE impose on the Sabbath, the less it is for man and the more it is man for the Sabbath. BUT I think the more rules and obligations the LORD imposes on how we should observe the Sabbath the more it becomes “Sabbath for man”. WE are not to impose rules on Sabbath, I think it is to the Lord’s….
Now the next question is, “is it okay to do sex on Sabbath”?.. as far as I know there is no direct Biblical rules if it is okay or not… the Lord just give us the principles on how we should observe Sabbath. It is lawful to do good on Sabbath day (Mat12:9-13). “if thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord , honorable; and shalt honor him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: then thou shalt delight thyself in the Lord…. (isa. 58:13-14).. etc..
Secondly, try having sex and making sure that every second of it you are thinking about God! In fact, try doing anything at all - eating, driving, walking to church, talking to a friend, or even listening to a sermon and NOT FOR A SINGLE SECOND thinking of something other than God. So by your logic, you shouldn't be eating, walking, driving, talking to people or even sleeping (because when you sleep you certainly have more than a few seconds of not thinking about God!) during the Sabbath hours.
When my friend said that in our discussion I didn’t take it literally. I think she meant that you can have sex just don’t forget that it is Sabbath.. and that you are suppose to glorified the Lord on that day, doing things for his glory and “turning away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day….”
However, even if you stayed at home the whole day and made sure nothing at all distracted you, God created your brain in such a way that it's impossible to think about one thing every moment, nor would He ever require that. In fact, such "not forgetting about something even for a single second" is called obsession and is unhealthy and certainly God doesn't want us to have unhealthy minds. Being in a constant fellowship with God and praying without ceasing doesn’t mean literally thinking about God 24/7 (because then you would never go to sleep, not just on the Sabbath, nor even have a chance to ask a friend how he or she is doing) – it’s the state of mind, state of complete surrender to God, not of making sure you are thinking about God every second. I must admit you may be right with your line of reasoning. but I don’t know what Paul meant when He said in everything you do, do it for the glory of God… how can you glorify God in everything, when you forget Him while you are eating, walking, sleeping?
As to pray without ceasing… I don’t know if my pastor is right when He said, that “we can pray without ceasing because praying does not only mean kneeling down, when you are thinking of God you are praying”…
I also don’t know if Christ, who is our model, stopped thinking about his Father when he was on earth. I don’t know what is meant when we say “He was at constant communion with His Father? When He was sleeping or eating or walking, when His was at His shop doing some carpentry, did He forget to think about His Father?
I don’t know what Mrs. White meant when she said, it is when we don’t think of the Lord that we fail to win over Satan’s temptation.
I don’t know if it is okay to do good and won’t not think of the Lord as you are doing that good, won’t think that it is for the Lord.
I just don’t know if it is okay with God for me to forget Him as I write this comment since it is okay to forget Him just a single second or minute or hour. or it is okay to forget Him when doing minor things and just think of Him in big things.
Come on, guys, how is this discussion different from how the Pharisees in Jesus' time would talk? You are creating all these rules and restrictions on how and when to do it. As I said the Lord makes rules.
God created love, marriage, and sex. If He didn’t want people to have sex on Sabbath, He would have told us so, just like He told us not to kill or steal or have sexual relations with anyone but your spouse. The Lord gives us principles on how to observe Sabbath… and it is in this principles that we should based our actions or activities on Sabbath… The Lord gives us common sense to think what is right and wrong based from these principles. I think it is impractical to innumerate all do’s and don’ts on the Sabbath.
So, if, for whatever reason, you don’t feel comfortable doing it on Sabbath or without praying first, then don’t do it. but remember our feeling sometimes mislead us. I think our action of do’s and don’ts on the Sabbath will based on your personal relationship with the Lord.
But to say that it is NOT RIGHT to make love on Sabbath? Who are we to say that? I never said it is NOT RIGHT! this is what is SAid:
She commented that if you won’t forget, even in a single second, the Lord while “making love” on Sabbath, it is okay… but if your mind, body and soul are focused on that act and you tend to forget God and your duty to worship Him on that day even in a single second while in the process of “making love”, she said, it is [color=#0000FF]better to defer it the next day.[/color]
I said it is BETTER TO DEFER IT! Did I say it is not right?
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Re:sex of marriage couple during sabbath is okay
Date: 2/27/2006 9:44pm
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Notice that God doesn’t give us a lot of rules. You are right that only God can give us rules and tell us what to do and not to do. But He only gave us 10 rules and Jesus boiled it down to 2. It is us who love to make more and more rules.
God isn’t about rules. God is about a loving relationship with him and others.
By the way, “BETTER to defer it” implies that not deferring it ISN’T so good and what I am saying is that you or I or anybody else other than God has no right to pass that judgment and God never said anything like that. You SAY that you don’t make rules, then what are you doing? “Advising” people to wait till Sunday? Let’s not put words in God’s mouth.
Also, “doing pleasure on My holy day” doesn’t refer to every sort of physical or sexual pleasure. It’s talking about putting what pleases me above what pleases God. However, God created marriage with sex as a crucial and vital part of it and He never in any way indicated that sex has some sort of disfavored position within a marriage, something that’s not good enough to do on Sabbath.
And if we are going to be so careful with who said what, then let’s not neglect the fact that I never mentioned FORGETTING God. In fact, I talked about being in a constant communion/fellowship with God – that’s certainly not forgetting. That allows one to be functional person who surrendered his/her life to God and is able to go about their daily business and to be available to minister to others. And that’s what Jesus did. However, it’s quite different from being very deliberate about making sure that I am actively thinking about God every moment of my day. I would certainly hope that neither you nor your friend means the latter.
I totally agree that feelings can be deceiving and that some things that we feel are fine to do may not in reality be fine. But that’s why we need to study the Bible and to know what it says. And given that nowhere did God indicate that one shouldn’t have sex on Sabbath, I don’t think it’s feelings at all. In fact, your position is no less prone to being based on feelings – just in the opposite direction – because as you admit yourself, there is no biblical support for it. We are not talking here about having sex for one’s own pleasure or satisfaction (that is something that one shouldn’t do on any other day as well as Sabbath) but rather an ultimate expression of one’s love for his/her spouse. That what God commanded us to do! And what can be wrong with doing that on Sabbath? When I said that one shouldn’t do it if they don’t feel comfortable doing it – that’s between them and God. Just like some people choose to be vegetarian and others eat meat or some choose to have their Bible study in the morning and others in the evening.
Anyway, sorry for the long exposition, but what I am trying to say is that there is no indication in the Bible that making love the way God intended it is wrong on Sabbath. As is everything else in one’s life, it is between you and God. And if you don’t feel comfortable doing it, then by all means, wait till Sunday. But don’t feel like you have to wait to express your very special emotions to your spouse just because someone else doesn’t think it’s appropriate.
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Re:sex of marriage couple during sabbath is okay
Date: 2/28/2006 1:11am
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Notice that God doesn’t give us a lot of rules. You are right that only God can give us rules and
tell us what to do and not to do. But He only gave us 10 rules and Jesus boiled it down to 2. It
is us who love to make more and more rules. You are right! But remember that God did not reduce His rules by boiling it down to 2. I also don’t believe that He gave us only 10. I don’t know if my Bible tells me right about the Lord’s commandment to forgive others, to pray without ceasing and to pray with another. I also believe that those 10 rules you mention is not a plain rule to do and not to do. It is beyond killing or stealing…
God isn’t about rules. God is about a loving relationship with him and others. You are right God isn’t about rules. but this is not a passport to sin, after all He made those rules.
By the way, “BETTER to defer it” implies that not deferring it ISN’T so good and what I am saying is
that you or I or anybody else other than God has no right to pass that judgment and God never said
anything like that. You SAY that you don’t make rules, then what are you doing? “Advising” people
to wait till Sunday? Let’s not put words in God’s mouth. I believe that doing sex on Sabbath is part of the many topics that has gray areas. the Bible neither says it’s okay nor it’s not. as to my point of view, it is better not to do it on Sabbath based on my interpretation of the rules on how to observe Sabbath. I advise people to defer it but I don’t condemn those people who will not follow my advice. I think making rules and making advise is a different thing. When you make rules and someone didn’t follow, there’s sin on his/her part against that rules, but when you are giving advice, you want to tell that person, “this is I think what is right, it’s up to you to follow it or not, you follow it or not is not my problem anymore. And I will not condemn or judge you if you will not follow my advice.. and I didn’t make my own rules. I am advising based on my interpretation of Biblical facts.
Also, “doing pleasure on My holy day” doesn’t refer to every sort of physical or sexual pleasure.
It’s talking about putting what pleases me above what pleases God. However, God created marriage
with sex as a crucial and vital part of it and He never in any way indicated that sex has some sort
of disfavored position within a marriage, something that’s not good enough to do on Sabbath. Doing pleasure on Sabbath. Your interpretation is right. Putting what pleases me above putting what pleases God.
But not all good things are permissible on Sabbath. Why does couple do sex?
to satisfy the need of his/her partner? But not all needs’ satisfaction is permissible on Sabbath. When we work we satisfy the need of our families, but we don’t do it on Sabbath. We defer it the following day.
As an expression of love? When you work you express your love to your God-given work and to your family whom you support, but we don’t work on Sabbath.
Sex is what you and your partner pleases, putting what pleases you above putting what pleases God. Sex and honest work pleases God, but it does not mean it’s okay to do it on Sabbath..
Again that is my interpretation of that text… and I don’t condemn you or anybody else doing sex on the Sabbath. I am just like you expressing opinion on the subject… and I hope you won’t judge me as accuser, judger….
And if we are going to be so careful with who said what, then let’s not neglect the fact that I
never mentioned FORGETTING God. In fact, I talked about being in a constant communion/fellowship
with God – that’s certainly not forgetting. That allows one to be functional person who surrendered
his/her life to God and is able to go about their daily business and to be available to minister to
others. And that’s what Jesus did. However, it’s quite different from being very deliberate about
making sure that I am actively thinking about God every moment of my day. I would certainly hope
that neither you nor your friend means the latter. I don’t know what you mean when you say,
In fact, such "not forgetting about something even for a single
second" is called obsession and is unhealthy and certainly God doesn't want us to have unhealthy
minds. We are not
talking here about having sex for one’s own pleasure or satisfaction (that is something that one
shouldn’t do on any other day as well as Sabbath) but rather an ultimate expression of one’s love
for his/her spouse. That what God commanded us to do! And what can be wrong with doing that on
Sabbath Is sex an ultimate expression of one’s love? If it is okay to express love, then it’s okay to do cooking the whole day to express your love to your partner. There are people who just chat the whole day with their partner to their express love… then it’s okay to lie down the whole Sabbath with your partner because that is your expression of love… then it’s okay to work on Sabbath because that is my way of expressing love with my partner? Is okay to treat him/her to Mcdo or date her in Disneyland on Sabbath day because this the way you express love? Anyway, sorry for the long exposition, but what I am trying to say is that there is no indication in
the Bible that making love the way God intended it is wrong on Sabbath.
Making love as I said is not limited to doing sex. you may give her flowers, cook a special dish for him or her, go theater with her or with him. So if this is part of making love it’s okay to go to theater, to treat him or her to McDonald on the Sabbath day the same as it is okay to do sex on Sabbath?
As is everything else in
one’s life, it is between you and God. And if you don’t feel comfortable doing it, then by all
means, wait till Sunday. But don’t feel like you have to wait to express your very special emotions
to your spouse just because someone else doesn’t think it’s appropriate. You can express your love on your spouse anytime. But on Sabbath there are some ways of expressing love that we should defer.
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Re:sex of marriage couple during sabbath is okay
Date: 2/28/2006 11:08pm
By: Julia
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Dude, no one is talking about staying in bed all day. Everything is bad when excessive. And your “opinions” are definitely getting a lot more prescriptive. So I am not going to continue this polemic with you because I have already expressed my views and can’t respond to your arguments without repeating what I’ve already said (besides, who wants to read mile-long posts). I’ll just add that God DID give us only 10 rules, and others like “pray without ceasing” or forgiving others are clearly entailed in the 10 Commandments and the 2 rules that Jesus summarized the 10 Commandments in.
And let’s be very clear about what OUR opinions are and what GOD’s commandments are and present them accordingly because what if we are wrong but in the mean time dispensed our rather forceful “advice” to a lot of people?
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Re:sex of marriage couple during sabbath is okay
Date: 3/1/2006 2:12am
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I don't know if you just misunderstood me. From the very beginning, i clearly state "my friend commented" “my advice” and I don’t remember mentioning “The Lord said don’t do sex on Sabbath”, and I think I never give a “forceful advice”, just as what I have said, you follow it or not, it’s not my problem anymore.
well, thank you! Honestly, i learned from you a lot! And sorry for making such a long comment.. I just don’t want to be misunderstood but it turned out to be the opposite in your case…
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Re:sex of marriage couple during sabbath is okay
Date: 3/2/2006 12:47am
By: trish
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Just like most of us have said it, i dont find it funny or bad to make love to your spouse on sabath, but so crazy to procreate on sabath. note the difference.
Trish
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Re:sex of marriage couple during sabbath is okay
Date: 4/18/2006 5:37pm
By: EarthAngel
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Sex is for married couple. Married couples who have sex nothing is wrong with that, However, God says that His day is for Him, not doing our own pleasures on His Holy Day. Thy words have I hidden in my heart, that I may not sin against Thee
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Re:sex of marriage couple during sabbath is okay
Date: 5/14/2008 12:06pm
By: His Tool
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"having sex" and "making love"
Two different ways to say the same thing. Apparently these things mean two VERY different things to different people. In reality, it's the same thing. It's the physical activity of two people, using their genitalia to bring pleasure to each other.
I don't think that "making love" is in fact, "making love"! The process of making an emotion (that's what love is, an emotion, something you can't reproduce in a laboratory setting, you can't measure it, you can't weigh it, it's just a human emotion) is not something that is done in the course of 1 act of physical intimacy.
"having sex" is an act of physical intimacy. It does not mean anybody loves anybody else, it only means just what it says, people having physical intimacy, that's all. The involved parties are the only ones that need worry about if there's love involved or not, and what and how they do it is only important to them and to God. And since God gave us the tools and ability to have sex, anything that's ok with you and God is ok. There's no body here on earth to judge you and your actions, so ask God what's right for you and your partner, and don't worry about what other worldly rules people try to apply to your life.
My feelings on the subject are that you should enjoy the carnal knowledge with your partner whenever the feeling moves you both (and the timing and situation are appropriate.) It should be an act that you both enjoy, or else someone is doing something wrong. It's a pleasureable act, so that we will reproduce and take over the world, just like the bible says "be fruitful and multiply".
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Re:sex of marriage couple during sabbath is okay
Date: 5/11/2010 2:57am
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what a pathetic question you sound like Pharrisy.
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Re:sex of marriage couple during sabbath is okay
Date: 9/1/2010 10:29am
By: Grateful
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For married couples you can make love anytime of the week including the Sabbath.... Marriages are holy and the bed undefiled. Making love should be regular and often. GOD is pleased when husbands and wives come together and make love. As one guy mention having sex and making love is two different things for unmarried couples but for married couples having sex and making love is the same because SEX is for married people its the ultimate act of becoming one flesh. The bible says the two shall become one flesh.
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